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« on: February 07, 2010, 06:23:18 pm »





“A despicable hatchet job, by a clueless non entity, pretentiously posing as a degenerate scum”: one or two thoughts about Ayn Rand

Roger Kimball

February 5, 2010

Ayn Rand is one of those writers who divide the world. There are partisans, who are utterly smitten by her message, and then there are the rest of us, who can’t fathom the fuss. The former find it very hard to forgive the latter, about which more in a moment.

I have read some of Rand’s essays on art and philosophy.  They struck me, as I said in a review of a book about her philosophy of art (reprinted in my book Art’s Prospect [1]), as pretty thin gruel. I never made it through either of  Rand’s two big novels, The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. To enjoy either, I suspect, you had to have encountered Rand in adolescence,  when so many of life’s lasting enthusiasms are forged.  In recent years, a few friends have urged Rand on me, and I dutifully tried both novels more than once. Each time, I found myself oscillating between fits of the giggles, at the awful prose, and irritation, at the jejune philosophy. Among the many reasons I am thankful to Whittaker Chambers, his having rescued me from making further attempts to scale the Everest of Atlas Shrugged comes high on my list.  His review of the book [2]in an early issue of National Review is a masterpiece of literary demolition and moral interment.

Brutal though Chambers is — his review precipitated Rand’s break with National Review — it nonetheless acknowledges a pertinent fact about Rand: that “a great many of us dislike much that Miss Rand dislikes, quite as heartily as she does.” That fact disposes “us” — i.e., us conservatives who share Rand’s belief in self-reliance and who dislike big government and the nanny state just as much as she did — to endorse some of what Rand advocates. Hence, for example, widespread popularity of Rand’s character John Galt and sympathy for “going Galt,” i.e., Just Saying No to the many violations of personal liberty perpetrated by an omnivorous, socialistically inclined state.

But to say that one is wary of statism or that one is a champion of capitalism and limited government is not to say that one is a follower of Ayn Rand. This is a something that some of Rand’s disciples find difficult to acknowledge. I was reminded of this the last few days as I contemplated the large outpouring of calumnious rage directed at Anthony Daniels, who writes about a new biography of Rand [3]in the February issue of the magazine I edit, The New Criterion [4].

The piece has been available on our website for only a few days, but already it has generated more than 160 comments. The response started modestly enough, but by the time # 4 from “Peter M” rolled in, I knew we were in for substantial hilarity. “Wow,” he writes, “this hit job comes close to matching the most dishonest review probably ever written of any book — Whittaker Chambers’ review of Atlas Shrugged.” A nice Bre’r Rabbit moment, that: having someone insult you by comparing you to Whittaker Chambers!

There are plenty of comments critical of Rand sprinkled into the mix — a bizarre specimen was #16, which dilated on the fact that Rand was Jewish and lamented that The New Criterion “hasn’t the courage to take a critical view of certain aspects of Jewish thought, history, and politics.” Most of the really amusing comments, though, come from Rand’s disciples. “Peter M” returned in #38 to inform us that it is “obvious” that “Daniels has written a cheap and dishonest smear that borders on the infantile” and that “What is even more interesting is that the New Criterion staff had their ‘seminar’ trolls just waiting at their keyboards for any objections to the ‘review.’” I am not quite sure what a “seminar troll” is, but it sounds like something we might want to invest in. Where, I wonder, are they to be found?

Then there is “Wendy” who, in making the 51st comment (and she came back with # 139) tells us that “Daniels knows that he and his kind are losing the war of ideas to Objectivism, and this piece is the pitiful machinations of a sore loser. Too bad, so sad, Daniels. You should have been more intellectually honest in your philosophical development, and then you wouldn’t be in this position now.”  This is especially funny for anyone who actually knows Anthony Daniels, one of the most percipient and humane cultural critics now writing. The disparity between what Daniels wrote and what he is accused of trespasses on the surrealistic: Here’s Sylvia Boker, #78:

“Anthony Daniels’ critique of Ayn Rand radiates a depth of viciousness that matches the mendacity and hate mongering of leftists. This is not surprising as there is next to no difference between the leftist and the neoconservative. . . . But there is more to Mr. Daniel’s efforts than an attempt to tar and feather one of the greatest minds the world has known.”

“One of the greatest minds the world has known”?

Our old friend Peter M comes back at #91 to observe that if “Ayn Rand is the ‘Chernyshevsky of individualism’ [as Daniels charged] then The New Criterion has become the National Inquirer of sophisticated public taste.”  Gee whiz.

I suspect that those responding feed upon and endeavor to outdo one another because by the time we get to #156 (“Ancap”), our commentators have descended to near hysterical ranting: “A despicable hatchet job, by a clueless non entity, pretentiously posing as a degenerate scum, whilst in reality, is nowhere near that virtuous. Wasted space!” Got that?

Well, it’s all in a day’s work, I suppose. From what I know, Ayn Rand was a pretty unsavory character. But she wasn’t stupid and I have to think she would have been embarrassed by this subliterate invective, much though it has entertained the rest of us.

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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2010, 01:23:18 pm »

I think the quote in the headline is not about Rand, but about the author of the piece on her. No?

Any who, Kimball is wrong about his insight that those who enjoy her work had to have experienced it in adolescence. I think the opposite. Her concepts are too sophisticated for teens, especially current teens, to understand and appreciate.

on the other hand, spend several years working hard to acheive your personal goals while the leeches, parasites, and ticks in society absorb your acheivements through the welfare state and welfare mentality, and you'll very much understand where she is coming from. Young people, particularly young Americans who for the last 40 years have been raised overwhelmingly as affluent, spoiled brats, won't 'get it' until they begin to be responsible. In fact, Atlas Shrugged needs real world experience to appreciate.

Ennis Delmar would have a copy of Atlas Shrugged in his trailer.
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2010, 03:40:41 pm »

I agree that you have to have some real world experience to understand the concept of harming something by helping it..

The liberals think that they are being compassionate by wanting to give and give to the people they view as less fortunate for whatever reason...they cant' see that too often their attempts to 'help' wind up hurting.

Like AFDC...it sounds wonderful and compassionate...who can argue against Aid for Families with Dependent Children? you'd have to be heartless and cold..a regular Scrooge to object. But in my experience what happened was the breakdown of the family unit. and that harm is very hard to correct. When we make government the head of the household and devalue men, we hurt everyone.

It is easy when you are in school and discussing ethics and such to 'fix' everything...because they dont' cover 'unintentional consequences'...that is what is wrong with most of the mods at Bettermost they live in this dream world where if the rest of us would only let them, they would 'fix' us.

If a colt is born with crooked legs, you can take him away from his mother, put on splints and hang him in a stall until they straighten....he'll never learn horse lessons from mom and will wind up an outsider in any herd...

or you can leave him be and let him run with his mother and siblings and let him be who he is. Sometimes they straighten out on their own and he will be fine...others they won't and he'll have to be a pasture ornament his entire life...

"Fixing" him only makes US feel good....not him..
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2010, 05:19:55 pm »

I think the quote in the headline is not about Rand, but about the author of the piece on her. No?

Any who, Kimball is wrong about his insight that those who enjoy her work had to have experienced it in adolescence. I think the opposite. Her concepts are too sophisticated for teens, especially current teens, to understand and appreciate.

on the other hand, spend several years working hard to acheive your personal goals while the leeches, parasites, and ticks in society absorb your acheivements through the welfare state and welfare mentality, and you'll very much understand where she is coming from. Young people, particularly young Americans who for the last 40 years have been raised overwhelmingly as affluent, spoiled brats, won't 'get it' until they begin to be responsible. In fact, Atlas Shrugged needs real world experience to appreciate.

Ennis Delmar would have a copy of Atlas Shrugged in his trailer.

Ennis Del Mar couldn't read anything beyond post cards and Farming and Ranching catalogs.

But that aside, I happen to be an Ayn Rand fan, but have noticed the same phenom that the author noticed above, there are those who are Conservatives / Right of Center and Libertarians who love Rand and they usually read one of her novels in high school and remember watching the "Fountainhead" film on late night tv while growing up. And there are those who are also right of center who shrug her off or find her tedious and they usually were not introduced to her until they were deep in their productive adult careers.

I disagree that Rand is too deep for ALL teenagers, I first read Rand's "Fountainhead" while in high school, afterwards finished all of her earlier and later novels and novellas in my high school and college years, except for "Atlas Shrugged" - I never finished it.

"Atlas Shrugged" is a fine piece of literature, but when I pick it up I just feel that I read it before when I read "Fountainhead". Both novels summarize her "objectivist" philosophies, but I happen to feel that "Fountainhead" is written better, and a great film was made of the novel back in the '40's.

I think that it is time for "Fountainhead" to be remade into a film again, I doubt that "Atlas Shrugged" could be made into a film that keeps faith with her novel, I have read accounts of the hundreds of screenplays based upon the novel rejected by everyone, including the Indie producers who love to bring conservative ideas to films.  Perhaps a more Sci-fi version fo the story could work, but it would lose Rand's meaning in the process of being converted into film. No reasonable person who has viewed King Vidor's 1940's "Fountainhead" will say that the film was anything but faithful to Rand's ideas.
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2010, 12:47:40 pm »

Ennis Del Mar couldn't read anything beyond post cards and Farming and Ranching catalogs. 

Probably not, but if I read it to him, ala "The Reader", he would have kept a cooy on his shelf.

I think that it is time for "Fountainhead" to be remade into a film again, I doubt that "Atlas Shrugged" could be made into a film that keeps faith with her novel, I have read accounts of the hundreds of screenplays based upon the novel rejected by everyone, including the Indie producers who love to bring conservative ideas to films.  Perhaps a more Sci-fi version fo the story could work, but it would lose Rand's meaning in the process of being converted into film.

Atlas would definitely need to be a mini series for TV. The book mulitfaceted segments could not effectively be made into a 90 minute film, and a film from focusing on just a portion of the book would miss too many points.

No reasonable person who has viewed King Vidor's 1940's "Fountainhead" will say that the film was anything but faithful to Rand's ideas.

Ayn Rand herself wrote the original screenplay, but she quit the production over extreme arguments about how the film was being changed and misleading her points; the script was subsequently revised substantially. She thought the film did not reflect her views correctly, and that's why there has been so long a struggle over taking Atlas to film--for fear of losing her true intented messages.
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2010, 03:25:39 pm »

Wowo, wow!!

Interesting threads and posts!!

I wonder if Ennis was Heath and Heath was Ennis!!


In many ways, Heath did NOT read that good neither, like Ennis!! - I say!

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2010, 04:48:10 pm »

1) Probably not, but if I read it to him, ala "The Reader", he would have kept a cooy on his shelf.

2) Atlas would definitely need to be a mini series for TV. The book mulitfaceted segments could not effectively be made into a 90 minute film, and a film from focusing on just a portion of the book would miss too many points.

3) Ayn Rand herself wrote the original screenplay, but she quit the production over extreme arguments about how the film was being changed and misleading her points; the script was subsequently revised substantially. She thought the film did not reflect her views correctly, and that's why there has been so long a struggle over taking Atlas to film--for fear of losing her true intented messages.

1)  Grin  Cheesy HK if you, a la "The Reader" curled up in bed with EdM I am sure other things might distract you from a careful reading of "Atlas Shrugged". And if you persisted in reading the 1000 + pps to him, he would just snore and go into a coma. "if you can't fix it, you got to sleep it off"

2) doubtful that it could get greenlighted on any cable network. but good idea, maybe a PBS Masterpiece Theater series that stretches on and on like Upstairs Downstairs? do you think that the powers that be on PBS would greenlight it?

3) She set up the same caterwauling over "Fountainhead", she was VERY picky! But in the end Gary Cooper and King Vidor convinced her that the only way to greenlight and actually produce was to cut the script down into a 90 minute run instead of the 240 minutes that Rand felt it deserved. As she got older, she got more "ossified" in her ways, so I have no doubt that any serious consideration of a greenlightable screenplay was axed by Rand herself. that aside, perhaps the time is right to rewrite "Fountainhead" and keep all the scenes in the book in a new film, as you suggested not a feature film but a cable film installed over a couple of nights. I am convinced that the one Ayn Rand novel that could be most faithfully reproduced for either the big or small screen would be a remake of "Fountainhead". "Atlas" is just too big, too cumbersome. 

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