Another Perfect Example of Why the Country is so Balkanized: Dave Cullen Forum

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Here is yet another moderator from a leftist website (no matter how they try to say they're not) using her position to spread propaganda, knowing she won't/can't be called on it because if anyone DOES try, she can (and WILL) have them deleted, reprimanded or just banned. Typical liberal, she can't take being questioned or challenged except on her own terms. Reminds me strongly of 'oh so professional' Crayons.

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=44495.msg2325844#msg2325844

MM, I really wonder where you get this unbalanced idea over in Australia -- now I might expect a partisan Republican here to say something like "war on women instigated by dems" but here it was vicious headlines, outrageous vulgarity from Rush Limbaugh, and there are people who honest-to-god now equate birth control itself with abortion.  

Republicans brought that on themselves and they really did say crazy things about "legitimate rape" and so forth -- and Paul Ryan is in that camp. So yes, in this case, I do know something about it that you don't.

birth control was not anywhere in the news until Democrat schill, George Stephanopolis brought it up at a debate....amazingly, VERY shortly thereafter, the Democrats decided that the Catholic church had to start providing contraceptives to their employees and the students of the schools they operate. This goes against their long held and very public beliefs. The Congress held hearings on the Constitutionality of forcing a religious organization to go against their beliefs, it was a First Amendment issue, not a social one..

http://news.yahoo.com/congress-contraceptives-hearing-where-women-160000509.html

so the Democrats hold a hearing with themselves, featuring a self righteous policital hack named Sandra Fluke, who has made a living for more than a decade going around being offended by this or that:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/23/house-democrats-birth-control-hearing_n_1297253.html

again, we are seeing the divide you pointed out in the 'feelings' vs 'doing'...

to the conservatives it was a First Amendment argument, violating their rights...to the Progressives, it was a 'woe the poor helpless woman' argument...

and NO ONE was/is talking about banning ANYTHING...all we are talking about is forcing someone else to pay for it.

now Fluke was representing herself as a helpless waif, unable to find the nearest corner bar to get a condom while her hormones raged beyond her ability to control it....and she herself sniveled about the expense of $3000 for a year of birth control (Walmart sells the pill for $4) a pack of condoms is less than $10..all the while sitting there with an expensive outfit and hair coiffed perfectly. I think she invited people to mock her. She put herself out there no more or less than Sarah Palin and 'slut' is one of the LEAST offensive things said about Palin!

so there you have it...the TRUTH (with LINKS) about the timeline.

For 4 years Obama's opponents have been "defining" him as -- you name it, an imposter, a Muslim, a Kenyan, an Indonesian, a Socialist, a Communist, on and on.

As for how Romney was "defined" -- again he had a lot to do with that himself. He had to look Tea Party conservative during the primaries, then he moved to a more center position running against Obama, but he chose tea-party Paul Ryan as his running mate. People were somewhat confused about his core political values, but -- he said he was going to undo Obamacare on day 1. Well, maybe the voters just didn't like that message.

and here's another problem...look at the map of Electorial votes again...'the voters' didn't vote Obama back in..SLIGHTLY more than half did..that's not a mandate, nor is it a refusal of Romney's message. It simply reflects that the Democrats had more people go to the polls. (thru some iffy practices I won't go into here) but the point is that they can't unilaterally say 'the voters' or 'the American people' because that's simply and demonstratively not true

Yes, I know something you don't know about this -- apparently you don't know that Republicans refused to pass any meaningful legislation through compromise or otherwise, they were obstructionist from day one, and stated their goal to make him a one-term president came above everything else. "My way or the highway" came from their side -- but I also know this -- they have been masters at turning around their own failings and pretending it is Obama who wouldn't work with them.

This is another dynamic that voters saw through.

watch this video and tell me again how loving and conciliatory the Democrats are? Knowing that this bill was VERY divisive and feelings were very strained, the Democrats, led by Pelosi, deliberately provoked and mocked the protestors...I have never seen such a display of disrespect and contempt for the opposition as this. (and again, I provide links and proof of MY assertions, I don't expect you to believe me simply because I sneer that you are but a lowly Australian and thus have no real knowledge of life)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyLPG5MJCKg&feature=related

then she wraps it all up in a neat little package with all the Demcrat talking points:

What I find so surprising is that you really seem to have a personal hatred for Obama -- it's something that I'm used to running into here, but I'm really surprised the propaganda has reached across to you in Australia.

you dare to question Obama? then of course you are racist and are taking it too personally...you must loath the MAN, regardless of his policies

When someone here says "Dems instigated war on women" I assume they listen only to Fox news or Rush Limbaugh, otherwise you could never have that opinion, because it is so far from the way it went down. Also, whoever says that is usually ready to engage in an argument about the abortificant properties of the birth control pill and to defend viagra as a medical necessity while birth control is optional and recreational. -- do you think that? Here, I can challenge the person and I kind of know where they are coming from --

and the "Progressives are so much more intelligent than lowly conservatives and thus ordained by nature to rule over them"...see, it is impossible in their world view for a conservative to actually a) think for themselves and b) know what's going on.  No one is talking about the abortificant properties of the birth control pill....we are talking about who pays for that birth control pill. A true strawman argument.  And I don't know of anyone even TALKING about Viagra. How funny that she can't see her own prejudices...if someone disagrees with her, then she 'knows' what they think/how they think/why they think the way they do...if that's not arrogant and condescending, I don't know what is.

and she finishs off by explaining to you that she IS your superior and she appreciates your humbleness in admitting it. She can't concieve that you have just that much more class and that much more ability to debate subjects.

But you're in Australia, so when you graciously allow for the possibility that I know something you don't know, I appreciate that. On the items you mention, I think it's the case.

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further clarification of the 'war on women' meme:

January 7, 2012 - Stephanopoulos brings up contraception out of the blue....no one had been talking about it at all and everyone was surprised, not only by the question but Stephanopoulos's PERSISTANCE on the question

During Saturday's Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire, hosted by ABC, co-moderator George Stephanopoulos bizarrely pressed candidate Mitt Romney on whether the former Massachusetts governor believes the U.S. Supreme Court should overturn a 1965 ruling that a constitutional right to privacy bars states from banning contraception. (Video below)
  
Romney, befuddled by the off the wall nature of the question on such an issue that is not on any state's legislative agenda, eventually observed that it was a "silly thing" for the ABC co-moderator to ask such an irrelevant question. Stephanopoulos's odd persistence which dragged on the discussion with Romney for more than three and a half minutes inspired a number of boos from the audience before Ron Paul and Rick Santorum were then allowed to weigh in.


Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2012/01/08/debate-abcs-stephanopoulos-presses-romney-contraception-ruling#ixzz2BvNdmVJZ

Jan 20, 2012

the Obama administration announces that religious organizations are required to provide birth control:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/20/barack-obama-birth-control_n_1219622.html


the links in the above story then shows the resulting hearing and the Fluke Show comes in February...

see, the Progressives would have you believe that the debate had NOTHING to do with politics and that Stephanopolous just came up with that bizarre, off the wall question all on his own with no agenda at all...

but the conservatives believe it was all a coordinated effort to create this entire 'war on women' meme...and the Progressives openly admitted they were counting on the dumb votes...people that didn't pay attention to politics. If you didn't watch the debates, if you didn't pay attention (as so many voters don't) until the conventions..and the MSM doesn't report on it or reports only one side then you would buy their lies.

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from Janjo:

The other point that you make that you don't seem to have understood, is that we have free health care. We don't!
We pay for our health care, our pensions, and our sick pay by National Insurance, at least in the UK.
In the US you may be prepared to see people die for lack of medical care, and be happy to do so, but here we have a system that caters for everybody, performs well, and provides care that is excellent and is delivered much more cost effectively than under the American system, because no one is taking a profit.

maybe Janjo would like to explain to us then, with this perfect system that works sooo well, why people are routinely starved to death in hospital? why patient's families have so SMUGGLE food into them?

why it is that 'terminally ill' patient take an AVERAGE 33 days to die after the doctors (without consulting families) cut off food and water to them?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1336988/3-000-patients-starved-death-hospital-Labour.html

Almost 3,000 patients starved to death through neglect during Labour's years of power, it was revealed last night.
Official figures obtained by the Daily Mail show that scores succumb to malnutrition in English and Welsh hospitals every year.
And the numbers starving to death - the vast majority of them elderly - soared by 62 per cent between 1997 and 2009.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9635842/Families-left-grieving-and-angry-by-the-Liverpool-Care-Pathway.html

The programme has rarely been out of recent headlines, with disturbing suggestions by some senior doctors that it is being used to hasten the deaths of thousands of elderly patients in an attempt to free up NHS beds. Last week, the row escalated further when the NHS was accused of handing out a £30 million “bribe” to hospitals who hit targets for the number of patients who die on the LCP. The influential Association of Palliative Care Medicine then announced a rethink of the “Pathway of Death”, as it is chillingly dubbed by opponents.

This was superseded at the weekend when, as The Daily Telegraph reported, the NHS confirmed its own inquiry. Several organisations, including the Association for Palliative Medicine, and Dying Matters, will be involved and co-ordinated by the National End of Life Care Programme as the delivery of the LCP is assessed.

It seems that an attempt by the Department of Health last month to stem the tide of horror stories from patients’ families about the programme being arbitrarily imposed on their loved ones has failed. The DoH’s “consensus agreement” – backed by 22 medical organisations, including the Royal colleges of nursing and general practitioners – laid down a “framework for good practice”. Patients and their families, it seems, want more.

now tell us again how great things are over there? OUR hospitals aren't rewarded with millions of dollars if they KILL enough people.

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still from Janjo:

If you wish to work all the hours that God sends, then that is your prerogative.
In these days when both parents have to work to keep a roof over their heads, and to bring up their children, how healthy is is to work extreme amounts of hours with no holidays.
Is that family friendly?
Does it make for gender equality?
Does it mean that the next generation is so messed up that they are unable to function properly?
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they have had a couple of generations of people growing up in their entitlement 'gender equal' society...and yet ARE their children functioning properly? by his/her own admission:

In fact I have severe doubts in my own profession whether a 68 year old standing in front of a class of unruly teenagers is a good idea

I can assure you with COMPLETE assurance that the 68 year old would have been beyond safe standing in front of a group of teenagers brought up by parents in traditional roles, working for a living families. The proof is in the pudding.