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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2013, 07:34:44 pm » |
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man, I wonder what THAT feels like...  |
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bradINblue
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2013, 08:09:03 pm » |
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Doesn't matter what ya' do full time--being a volunteer fireman is a blast and the epitome of selfless, community service. In all the years Steve and I volunteered and many years as a fire commissioner, I've never had/seen ONE volunteer, male or female, who could be considered a liberal or progressive--they don't do things like that for their community unless it is to protest something or further their agenda.
Brad
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The Maker keeps making but I finally broke through. I love you Steve.
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MagicM
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2013, 07:23:54 am » |
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Doesn't matter what ya' do full time--being a volunteer fireman is a blast and the epitome of selfless, community service. In all the years Steve and I volunteered and many years as a fire commissioner, I've never had/seen ONE volunteer, male or female, who could be considered a liberal or progressive--they don't do things like that for their community unless it is to protest something or further their agenda.
Brad
How true. The Greens here in Oz make it almost impossible to burn off excess fuel in the bush or create fire trails. Instead they blame climate change for the terrible bushfires currently ablaze in New South Wales. Adam Bandt a Green MP blamed Tony Abbott for future bushfires because he wants to get rid of the carbon tax. The left blames every flood, storm, bushfire and drought on human-caused climate change. Since these events occur in Australia at regular intervals, as they always have done, they are a gift that keeps on giving.   |
“Beauties in vain their pretty eyes may roll; charms strike the sight, but merit wins the soul.” Alexander Pope
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2013, 07:37:45 am » |
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Doesn't matter what ya' do full time--being a volunteer fireman is a blast and the epitome of selfless, community service. In all the years Steve and I volunteered and many years as a fire commissioner, I've never had/seen ONE volunteer, male or female, who could be considered a liberal or progressive--they don't do things like that for their community unless it is to protest something or further their agenda.
Brad
yes, most are those horrible, backwards, ill educated 'good ol boys' that drink beer and watch Nascar...the people that have nothing 'important' to do with their time. You can't expect a Progressive with their education and knowledge to be out getting their hands dirty! |
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2013, 07:51:56 am » |
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How true. The Greens here in Oz make it almost impossible to burn off excess fuel in the bush or create fire trails. Instead they blame climate change for the terrible bushfires currently ablaze in New South Wales. Adam Bandt a Green MP blamed Tony Abbott for future bushfires because he wants to get rid of the carbon tax.
The left blames every flood, storm, bushfire and drought on human-caused climate change. Since these events occur in Australia at regular intervals, as they always have done, they are a gift that keeps on giving.
the conservatives live in the here and now, they believe in getting their hands dirty and taking care of the problem in front of them, regardless of what may or may not happen in the future. the liberals seem to live in the future, imagining what MAY happen or some ideal world they dream of. there should be somewhere in the middle to meet |
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2013, 10:56:11 am » |
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the conservatives live in the here and now, they believe in getting their hands dirty and taking care of the problem in front of them, regardless of what may or may not happen in the future.
the liberals seem to live in the future, imagining what MAY happen or some ideal world they dream of.
there should be somewhere in the middle to meet
There is a comfortable middle but it would mean 'doing the right thing' and that is the problem. Take the few radical Right out of the equation, and I believe conservatives want to do the right thing even though it's not always easy, especially since the left has dug such a deep hole. Since the Right/conservative was the majority over the last three decades, who rolled over and let us down? Who didn't do the right thing? Who caved? Who's collective heads were buried in the sand? The collapse of the mental health system, the ridiculous environmental crap that isn't based on science, places like Detroit and Chicago, out of control Unions, a deficit that exceeds the GNP, etc. etc. etc. are all because CONSERVATIVES were weak. And, when it's too late, and a few (Cruz) does try to draw a line in the sand and do what is right, our party's popularity plummets further. I'm afraid people like Cruz are 20 years too late. WE have put our representatives in power and apparently, despite the 8% approval rate of Congress, we don't fuckin' care. Brad (on a rant) |
The Maker keeps making but I finally broke through. I love you Steve.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2013, 04:37:22 pm » |
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There is a comfortable middle but it would mean 'doing the right thing' and that is the problem. Take the few radical Right out of the equation, and I believe conservatives want to do the right thing even though it's not always easy, especially since the left has dug such a deep hole. Since the Right/conservative was the majority over the last three decades, who rolled over and let us down? Who didn't do the right thing? Who caved? Who's collective heads were buried in the sand? The collapse of the mental health system, the ridiculous environmental crap that isn't based on science, places like Detroit and Chicago, out of control Unions, a deficit that exceeds the GNP, etc. etc. etc. are all because CONSERVATIVES were weak. And, when it's too late, and a few (Cruz) does try to draw a line in the sand and do what is right, our party's popularity plummets further. I'm afraid people like Cruz are 20 years too late. WE have put our representatives in power and apparently, despite the 8% approval rate of Congress, we don't fuckin' care.
Brad (on a rant)
because we ALL, Democrats and Republicans, didn't pay attention when people told us what they were going to do...both parties have been eaten up with Progressivism. Sure the Democrats are more out there with it but the Republicans have plenty too. I would say that most of the Republican leadership is Progressive. I am borrowing this analogy from someone else: It's like a railroad track, one side is the Left ..the other is the Right ...different rails but they are both taking us to the same destination: Government control - Big government. it's a false choice, the two parties are really not that far apart. I think what happened with the average American is that they used our own values against us. Believing in 'live and let live' is great until you run into someone who believes in 'live and tell everyone else how to live'..the two are incompatible. People in this country are pretty charitable, tell them there is an injustice and they'll try to rectify it. Too late we realize that means we were giving up our own culture. It sounds great: "Don't pick sides at recess, it hurts the kids that get picked last"...who wants to HURT someone? We didn't stop to think that maybe that person NEEDED to feel that pain to encourage them to try harder or be a better player. And when they said "Hey, let's give everyone a prize!" we didn't realize that means that we devalued success and hard work...but it did. In our kindness and tolerance, we allowed them to take our country from us. And it's not a kind and tolerant place they are building from the wreckage. and yes, it WAS our kindness and tolerance...Rules for Radicals only works on the US because we are the only ones kind and tolerant enough for it to work. Can you imagine the Left trying what they've done in America to Russia or China? of course it wouldn't work... |
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2013, 09:20:48 pm » |
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"all because CONSERVATIVES were weak."
"both parties have been eaten up with Progressivism"
Brad and Jess - you are both right. Conservatives world wide have been sucked into the centre-left consensus. In the UK, supporters of the UK Independence Party (UKIP) call this reigning consensus LibLabCon - meaning the Liberal Democrats in coalition with the Conservative Party plus the Labor Party. This is represented as so-called civilised opinion and it is group think of the worst kind. The enforcement of political correctness has a vice-like grip on the forces of the right - to be part of the elite it is unthinkable to express certain views - usually the commonsense views of the crowd.
Climate change is holy writ these days even for conservatives. Even in Australia where we have a government much closer to conservative principles, "the science" of climate change is largely unchallenged. The government may want to ditch the carbon tax but they still back a renewable energy target which is helping to push up power bills and is committed to a 5 percent reduction in carbon dioxide emissions by 2020.
Mind you it is tough when the universities, the media, the public sector are the ones determining the boundaries of public discourse these days. They appear to set the rules and woe betide if you transgress - the mob on Twitter will see to that!
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“Beauties in vain their pretty eyes may roll; charms strike the sight, but merit wins the soul.” Alexander Pope
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2013, 09:33:58 pm » |
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Jo,
I saw news of the fires on TV, and I'm glad to see that you are OK.
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MagicM
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2013, 03:20:29 am » |
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Jo,
I saw news of the fires on TV, and I'm glad to see that you are OK.
Thanks Milo - I live in the inner inner inner city so no probs! |
“Beauties in vain their pretty eyes may roll; charms strike the sight, but merit wins the soul.” Alexander Pope
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