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« on: August 02, 2015, 10:31:59 pm »

There is currently a furore in Australia over the actions of spectators and the behaviour of an Aboriginal football player who is being booed on the field. I will give brief details and invite comparisons of what would be happening in the US if a similar set of events occurred.

An Aboriginal guy called Adam Goodes is a star football player.  A while back a girl of 13 called out “ape” as he was running into the field. He pointed her out and the crying girl was escorted from the field and interrogated by officials for a couple of hours. The girl said she didn’t think ape was a racist term and was just sledging on behalf of her team. The next day Goodes, who made a big issue of the event, said “the face of racism is a 13 year-old girl”.

A month or two later Goodes was made Australian of the Year and used this platform to call Australians racists, rapists and murderers of his people – encouraged in this by the Left. The footie crowd took exception to Goodes bringing politics into the game, shaming a young girl from a poor background and playing the victim. In addition they felt he was transgressing against a fundamental Aussie male code of behaviour – “you don’t dob and you don’t sook”. (Dobbing in means you don’t go telling on someone who may have upset you and you certainly don’t get all upset and emotional about it.) They started booing him at games.

About a week or so ago Goodes stages an imaginary spear throw at the crowd after scoring a goal. This got him into even more hot water. So now the political classes are screaming racism saying he was entitled to accuse the girl and the spear “throw” was just an expression of culture. On the other side people are saying Goodes is being booed because of his behaviour not because he is Aboriginal – no other Aboriginal player is being booed.

I would be interested if anything similar has happened in the US and how this sort of thing would go down in your country.
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2015, 07:18:38 pm »

I would be interested if anything similar has happened in the US and how this sort of thing would go down in your country.

Let's see...

It would start with a 5-second, cellphone video clip of the girl hurling the epithet at the athlete. The clip would go viral on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and Pinterest. Then the ABC, NBC, and CBS would bleep out the epithet, and start broadcasting the video clip along with a story about how the athlete was verbally attacked by a fan. FOX would bleep out the epithet, and start broadcasting the video clip along with a story about how the word in question means something different to white people. Within a day, reporters would show up at the home of the girl to try to interview her and her parents. There would be no comment, so the media would start to interview the girl's teachers, friends, and neighbors all of whom would say how they can't believe she would say such a thing because she was always so nice to everyone. Then the media would start to ask questions about the past friends, associates, and activities of the parents. It would come to light that either the father or the mother belonged to an all-white church, fraternity, sorority, bridge club, golf club, or some kind of all-white organization. The organization would be cited as racist. Then he parents would be cited as racist. Of course the parents would deny being racist, or teaching the girl to say racist things. Then experts would come on TV and start saying that raising a racist child is a form of child abuse. The parents would be fired from their jobs. There would be commentary from the local child protective services organization as to whether or not they have jurisdiction. The ACLU would step in to say that the epithet and the parents' racist beliefs are protected under the 1st Amendment. The White Supremacists would start a GoFundMe campaign to raise funds to offset the lost wages of the parents as well as their legal fees. Al Sharpton would demand that the girl and her parents apologize to the athlete. There would be a candlelight vigil in town to pray for healing. The athlete would take the girl and her family out to dinner with TV cameras following just to show that he forgives them. The athlete gets Most Valuable Player from the League, and the cover TIME magazine. The girl and her parents would get a reality show on A&E. A year later, the public will have forgotten the whole incident, and nobody's feelings will be "hurt" any more. 5 years later, the incident will appear in a book written by a young black man with dreadlocks, a Nigerian fist name, and a Jewish last name. He will use the story as an example of how a white family can overcome their white privilege to evolve from being racists to being acceptable members of society.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2015, 09:05:56 pm »

Let's see...

It would start with a 5-second, cellphone video clip of the girl hurling the epithet at the athlete. The clip would go viral on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and Pinterest. Then the ABC, NBC, and CBS would bleep out the epithet, and start broadcasting the video clip along with a story about how the athlete was verbally attacked by a fan. FOX would bleep out the epithet, and start broadcasting the video clip along with a story about how the word in question means something different to white people. Within a day, reporters would show up at the home of the girl to try to interview her and her parents. There would be no comment, so the media would start to interview the girl's teachers, friends, and neighbors all of whom would say how they can't believe she would say such a thing because she was always so nice to everyone. Then the media would start to ask questions about the past friends, associates, and activities of the parents. It would come to light that either the father or the mother belonged to an all-white church, fraternity, sorority, bridge club, golf club, or some kind of all-white organization. The organization would be cited as racist. Then he parents would be cited as racist. Of course the parents would deny being racist, or teaching the girl to say racist things. Then experts would come on TV and start saying that raising a racist child is a form of child abuse. The parents would be fired from their jobs. There would be commentary from the local child protective services organization as to whether or not they have jurisdiction. The ACLU would step in to say that the epithet and the parents' racist beliefs are protected under the 1st Amendment. The White Supremacists would start a GoFundMe campaign to raise funds to offset the lost wages of the parents as well as their legal fees. Al Sharpton would demand that the girl and her parents apologize to the athlete. There would be a candlelight vigil in town to pray for healing. The athlete would take the girl and her family out to dinner with TV cameras following just to show that he forgives them. The athlete gets Most Valuable Player from the League, and the cover TIME magazine. The girl and her parents would get a reality show on A&E. A year later, the public will have forgotten the whole incident, and nobody's feelings will be "hurt" any more. 5 years later, the incident will appear in a book written by a young black man with dreadlocks, a Nigerian fist name, and a Jewish last name. He will use the story as an example of how a white family can overcome their white privilege to evolve from being racists to being acceptable members of society.

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very good, very good!

Assuming of course that the girl in question is white and the athlete black (you racist!)

if the girl was black and the athlete white, there wouldn't be any stories...and if the athlete complained too loudly, he'd lose his position.

but going back to the white girl/black athlete scenario: the media would certainly investigate the family but that would be minor. More likely they will start trotting out experts to explain how it's a societal problem, that we ALL need some sensitivity training...people would be pushing for schools to have classes to teach white people tolerance. There would be endless news programs, talk shows, etc devoted to 'proving' how racist American society is. Obama would come out and give a speech about getting along (with a subtle nod to whitey being to blame for everything)..
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2015, 09:25:21 pm »

if the girl was black and the athlete white, there wouldn't be any stories...and if the athlete complained too loudly, he'd lose his position.

You know it, too!!

This is fun. Somebody needs to turn this conversation into a video game. Pick a an issue, pick a country, pick characters, and play the game to see how society will respond.
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2015, 03:37:05 am »

Oh wow! Thanks for that run down Milo.

So the girl got off lightly in Oz! Mind you race is not quite the incendiary issue here as it is in the US. But what about the booing of the guy? Would that ever happen in the US or would that cause a riot?
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2015, 07:44:39 am »

But what about the booing of the guy? Would that ever happen in the US or would that cause a riot?

I think it would depend on the city, and what kind of reputation the athlete had before the incident. There would certainly plenty of chatter about it on ESPN nationally, and on local sports radio channels. Football player Michael Vick was convicted for his part in a dog-fighting ring years ago. When He was hired by the Philadelphia Eagles, the city was torn as to whether we wanted him or not. I don't recall that he was ever boo-ed on the field, but that conviction was an albatross around his neck for his entire time here.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2015, 12:31:37 am »

Let's see...

It would start with a 5-second, cellphone video clip of the girl hurling the epithet at the athlete. The clip would go viral on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and Pinterest. Then the ABC, NBC, and CBS would bleep out the epithet, and start broadcasting the video clip along with a story about how the athlete was verbally attacked by a fan. FOX would bleep out the epithet, and start broadcasting the video clip along with a story about how the word in question means something different to white people. Within a day, reporters would show up at the home of the girl to try to interview her and her parents. There would be no comment, so the media would start to interview the girl's teachers, friends, and neighbors all of whom would say how they can't believe she would say such a thing because she was always so nice to everyone. Then the media would start to ask questions about the past friends, associates, and activities of the parents. It would come to light that either the father or the mother belonged to an all-white church, fraternity, sorority, bridge club, golf club, or some kind of all-white organization. The organization would be cited as racist. Then he parents would be cited as racist. Of course the parents would deny being racist, or teaching the girl to say racist things. Then experts would come on TV and start saying that raising a racist child is a form of child abuse. The parents would be fired from their jobs. There would be commentary from the local child protective services organization as to whether or not they have jurisdiction. The ACLU would step in to say that the epithet and the parents' racist beliefs are protected under the 1st Amendment. The White Supremacists would start a GoFundMe campaign to raise funds to offset the lost wages of the parents as well as their legal fees. Al Sharpton would demand that the girl and her parents apologize to the athlete. There would be a candlelight vigil in town to pray for healing. The athlete would take the girl and her family out to dinner with TV cameras following just to show that he forgives them. The athlete gets Most Valuable Player from the League, and the cover TIME magazine. The girl and her parents would get a reality show on A&E. A year later, the public will have forgotten the whole incident, and nobody's feelings will be "hurt" any more. 5 years later, the incident will appear in a book written by a young black man with dreadlocks, a Nigerian fist name, and a Jewish last name. He will use the story as an example of how a white family can overcome their white privilege to evolve from being racists to being acceptable members of society.

Priceless.
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