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« on: March 23, 2016, 10:07:22 pm »

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/23/robert-jeffress-rebukes-glenn-beck-for-criticism-of-southern-evangelicals/   



Robert Jeffress Rebukes Glenn Beck for Criticism of Southern Evangelicals

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Robert Jeffress, pastor of the 12,000 member First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas, is rebuking talk radio host Glenn Beck for his recent criticism of evangelical Christians who live in the South and are not supporting Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)’s campaign to secure the Republican Presidential nomination.

“All throughout the South the Evangelicals are not listening to their God,” Beck said at a rally in Utah on Monday.

“Beck’s wacko comment speaks for itself,” Jeffress tells Breitbart News.

“However, by using the phrase ‘their God’ to refer to the God we evangelical Christians worship, Beck is finally admitting that the true God of the Bible is different than the god of the Book of Mormon. I congratulate Beck for his honesty in differentiating between the two,” Jeffress adds.

“However, I am somewhat puzzled that Beck claims to know how the God Christians worship would vote in the Republican primaries.”

Jeffress has introduced GOP frontrunner Donald Trump at many events, though as a pastor he is not officially endorsing any candidate.

Beck, a Mormon, has endorsed Cruz and has spoken on his behalf at numerous rallies around the country.

One prominent academic who specializes in American religion takes exception to Beck’s comments as well.

“Assuming that Mr. Beck is referring to evangelicals who vote for Trump, I would make a distinction that Beck does not: The Bible certainly offers principles on how to think about government and politics. The Bible does not, however, tell us which individual candidates to vote for,” Dr. Thomas S. Kidd, Distinguished Professor of History and Associate Director of the Institute for Studies of Religion at Baylor University in Waco, Texas, tells Breitbart News.

“If other Christians don’t vote for our preferred candidate, we should not say that they are not listening to God. None of us has special access to God’s opinions about candidates,” Kidd says.

“There are many reasons why devout Christians should hesitate to vote for Donald Trump, but God has not revealed Ted Cruz as the divinely anointed alternative, either,” Kidd concludes.

A number of evangelical Christians who live in the South are also critical of Beck’s fusion of theology and politics.

“Say what you want, but as a Southern Christian, I’m pretty sure my God doesn’t like politicians behaving like diamond pinky ring wearing TV preachers telling lies and trying to guilt people into donating their dollars to false causes,” Stephani Scruggs, a resident of Pensacola, Florida, posted on her Facebook page Tuesday. Scruggs says she is the former national co-chairman of the Glenn Beck inspired 9-12 Project

Criticisms of Beck’s attack on evangelical Christians who live in the South and are not supporting Cruz were echoed by several participants in the February 25 Breitbart focus groups conducted of evangelical Christians in Tennessee who said they intended to vote in the March 1 GOP Presidential primary in the Volunteer State.

“It has been very disconcerting to see Beck traveling with Cruz,” Elizabeth, who voted for Cruz in the Tennessee primary and participated in one of the February 25 focus groups, tells Breitbart News.

“I have had a nagging concern about Cruz’s integrity. His association with Beck confirms this,” she says.

“Beck is not reticent about pushing his Mormon faith, which from an evangelical perspective is heretical. Apparently Cruz has no discomfort being called the fulfillment of a false prophecy,” she adds.

“The fact that evangelicals have not fully embraced Cruz but Mormons have is troubling to someone who voted for Cruz but now questions the decision,” Elizabeth concludes.

“I am disgusted by Beck’s comments and he should be ashamed for casting stones,” Jim, a Trump supporter and small business owner who participated in the focus groups, tells Breitbart News.

“Are we counting sins? Let’s see: Cruz has lied on multiple occasions, smeared Trump horribly, wasn’t tithing while making over $250,000,” he adds.

“I tuned Glenn Beck out a long time ago,” Martha, a Trump alternate delegate and focus group participant, tells Breitbart News. (Note: Two other participants in the focus groups ran as Cruz delegates in Tennessee.)

“I think he has issues and is in no position to determine who is or is not listening to anything or anyone, including God,” she adds.

“His hysterics do nothing but turn me off, whether it’s this or anything else,” she says of Beck.

“I think he has done some good exposing some of those leftist relationships that he has exposed. But, once he starts on opinion, he always seems totally off the wall to me. Have thought this a long time,” Martha concludes.

“I was offended by Glenn Beck’s comments, as I was by Romney’s speech several weeks ago. ‘My God’ doesn’t tell me how to vote,” Aime Molina, another focus group participant, tells Breitbart News.

“I believe God expects me to be involved in the political process for the good of His people and the advancement of His Kingdom,” Molina continues.

“I believe I am called to vote according to the morals and teachings of Jesus. I believe we should vote for the candidate who will enforce the expectations of personal accountability for one’s life and actions, and the protection of our Country and its citizens,” she continues.

“I don’t believe that God endorses a specific candidate, and Beck’s comments seem judgmental and manipulative to me. I am not anti-Trump; he is my second choice, but for the record I voted for Ted Cruz. And I’m still offended by Glenn Beck,” Molina adds.

The February 25 Breitbart focus groups of evangelical Christians in Tennessee confirmed the polling research of the Barna Group, the leading pollster of evangelical Christians, which found that committed evangelicals are more supportive of Cruz and cultural evangelicals are more supportive of Trump.






 
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2016, 07:40:04 am »

Beck is WAY off base with this idea.

But this conversation simply underscores the size and importance of the Evangelical vote. They are a block that the Democrats have been ignoring, and possibly to their peril this time.
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2016, 07:52:33 am »

a guy that 'introduces' Trump but doesn't 'endorse' him is being just a little too fake for my taste..

and it would make perfect sense that he would object to just about anything that the other guy's supporters would say.

Maybe you could find some earth shattering news on how Clinton supporters don't agree with Glenn Beck either, Bill.

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2016, 10:17:29 pm »

Beck today said that "true Christians can't vote for Donald Trump". hmm, where is HIS fire for Hillary and Bernie?

Beck seems sick obsessed with Trump. I have taken to listening to him on 570 am before Laura Ingraham comes on (I just love her!). And I am really appalled at what I hear from Beck. I have always thought that he was a bit too much like a homophobic televangelist for my comfort zone. but lately he sounds wheels-off bat-shit crazy! I heard him make the statement that Vladimir Putin is the "anti-Christ", and believers should prepare for the "rapture" soon.

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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2016, 10:20:12 pm »

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274267-glenn-beck-no-real-christian-supports-trump   

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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2016, 09:36:06 am »

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So Beck is trying to wake up such Baptists, but what are these worshipping: may be MUSLIMS destroying Africa and Europe plus Canada and the USA ?

Is that what beck is saying ?

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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2016, 02:30:18 pm »

Beck is a Mormon. There is a sharp difference of opinion as to whether the Mormon Church is a Christian church or a cult. many evangelicals, including some Southern Baptists, will deny that Mormons are Christians. this is some of the background to Becks dispute with evangelical Christians over their political views vis a vis Trump and Cruz
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2016, 10:06:46 am »

but lately he sounds wheels-off bat-shit crazy!

Agree. I was a fan of Beck until the proclamation he could no longer support the type of conservatism (social reformation) Republicans were gravitating, went off on his own, and went down the path of 'religious zealot'. Cruz claims he is a strict constitutionalist but keeps bringing up marriage, abortion (which I am against), and a list of social issues that aren't mentioned in our constitution. Beck and Cruz have the demeanor of a church pastor addressing the congregation on Sunday morning when they speak before groups.
Much like Obama and Harry Reid, Cruz has proven during his tenure in the Senate that he is inflexible. All three including Beck call it 'principle'. They don't realize there are an additional 320 million principles out there....................   
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2016, 10:28:25 am »

Agree. I was a fan of Beck until the proclamation he could no longer support the type of conservatism (social reformation) Republicans were gravitating, went off on his own, and went down the path of 'religious zealot'. Cruz claims he is a strict constitutionalist but keeps bringing up marriage, abortion (which I am against), and a list of social issues that aren't mentioned in our constitution. Beck and Cruz have the demeanor of a church pastor addressing the congregation on Sunday morning when they speak before groups.
Much like Obama and Harry Reid, Cruz has proven during his tenure in the Senate that he is inflexible. All three including Beck call it 'principle'. They don't realize there are an additional 320 million principles out there....................   
yeah Brad! I have to agree with you and shake my head at how both Cruz and Trump are being manipulated by the establishment RINO Republicans, the Democrats, and the media into this silly feud. both Cruz and Trump are outsiders (75% of the votes are going to them, not to the anointed Republican candidates). the establishment is being overwhelmingly rejected by rank and file Republicans, and my advice to Trump and Cruz, which is not listened to, is for both Cruz and Trump to bury the hatchet in Hillary, not each other.

IMO, Cruz doesn't have the ability to win a general election because he can't carry over 240 electoral votes / needs 271 to win. Cruz has limited appeal to moderates, independents,  and Democrats, - those voters who are not traditionally Republican. He is too rigid in his politics, and mixes religion too much in his politics. His demeanor and voice are repellent to many voters. that said, he is great on most of the issues.

Trump has enormous appeal outside the Republican party and to moderates. He is flexible and avoids being labeled as a "Christian" candidate. Trump is entertaining and attracts many new voters to the GOP. that said, he sometimes strays from orthodox conservative politics. But, on the main issues he is spot on : 1) securing the Border, 2) Deporting Illegals, 3) bringing home American jobs with better trade deals, 4) while not getting the US involved in another stupid Iraq war he wants to  use our air power and allies to destroy Isis and Al Qaeda. and 5) Stop Muslim immigration!!!  these are the emergency measures necessary to save the country. then, after the crisis passes, we can work on abolishing the IRS, abolishing the Federal Reserve, abolishing the Departments of Education, Energy, and the EPA. because of his broader appeal, Trump can add new states to the electoral college margin for Repubs :  he has a chance to bring in FL, VA, OH, CO, PA, NJ, NY, MI, WI, IA, and MN. otherwise the Democrats have a lock on the electoral college.
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Agree. I was a fan of Beck until the proclamation he could no longer support the type of conservatism (social reformation) Republicans were gravitating, went off on his own, and went down the path of 'religious zealot'. Cruz claims he is a strict constitutionalist but keeps bringing up marriage, abortion (which I am against), and a list of social issues that aren't mentioned in our constitution. Beck and Cruz have the demeanor of a church pastor addressing the congregation on Sunday morning when they speak before groups.
Much like Obama and Harry Reid, Cruz has proven during his tenure in the Senate that he is inflexible. All three including Beck call it 'principle'. They don't realize there are an additional 320 million principles out there....................   

I have this disagreement with my boss on a regular basis...really, I don't know why he keeps at it...

what do you define as principles, Brad, and how do you protect your own while allowing the other's?

(I really don't want to get into individuals, I am just curious about how you see it?)

I think there are certain principles that the vast majority agree with: "don't steal" for example...so, to 'compromise' that principle would be to say "OK ok...since YOU think stealing is ok, we'll mandate everyone is allowed to steal three times before we'll say anything" or am I wrong?

and having a principle may mean that say "I don't agree with taking Sundays off for religious reasons" and compromise would be "YOU can take Sundays off if you want to".

so some principles (IMO) are just not compromisable... for example:it's NOT ok to have sex with infants. Period, full stop. I won't budge on that.

I believe cheating is wrong...but if my neighbor cheats, it's between her and her husband..

where do you disagree? am I overlooking something important?
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what do you define as principles, Brad, and how do you protect your own while allowing the other's? (I really don't want to get into individuals, I am just curious about how you see it?)

I live by my list of principles. Not all of which are Steve's principles. While we are identical in most, we respect each others that oppose. People like Glenn Beck or Rachel Maddow can preach/stand on their principles to anyone that will listen and that is fine. They can be turned off or tuned out. Cruz is running for a political office in a representative government. He has made it crystal clear on many occasions his strict conservatism and religious-based principles are unyielding. George Bush and Mitt Romney have strong religious principles they live by but when they represent constituents it's not clear to the average person what their faiths are. Cruz jams his down peoples throats by constantly informing others of his.

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I think there are certain principles that the vast majority agree with: "don't steal" for example...so, to 'compromise' that principle would be to say "OK ok...since YOU think stealing is ok, we'll mandate everyone is allowed to steal three times before we'll say anything" or am I wrong?
Principle is a foundation. Actions such as stealing to support a drug habit, driving while intoxicated, or cheating on taxes are poor characteristics and aren't usually a principle. More like poor/bad characteristics. A politician best represents people with law-breaking characteristics by attempts at reform, rehab or punishment. Pedophiles, rapists, violet gang members are principled in evil. A politician best represents these principles not by respecting them but by protecting the rest of society from them.   

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I live by my list of principles. Not all of which are Steve's principles. While we are identical in most, we respect each others that oppose. People like Glenn Beck or Rachel Maddow can preach/stand on their principles to anyone that will listen and that is fine. They can be turned off or tuned out. Cruz is running for a political office in a representative government. He has made it crystal clear on many occasions his strict conservatism and religious-based principles are unyielding. George Bush and Mitt Romney have strong religious principles they live by but when they represent constituents it's not clear to the average person what their faiths are. Cruz jams his down peoples throats by constantly informing others of his.
Principle is a foundation. Actions such as stealing to support a drug habit, driving while intoxicated, or cheating on taxes are poor characteristics and aren't usually a principle. More like poor/bad characteristics. A politician best represents people with law-breaking characteristics by attempts at reform, rehab or punishment. Pedophiles, rapists, violet gang members are principled in evil. A politician best represents these principles not by respecting them but by protecting the rest of society from them.   



I guess I am just not getting it...but hey it's not the first time I didn't get it...won't be that last. I'll just smile and nod...

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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2016, 09:38:07 am »

IMO, the issue in this political election year isn't whether candidate A has "principles" or candidate B doesn't. most people have "principles" or moral guidelines of some sort or the other. Cruz certainly has principles, he is not a sociopath like Bill Clinton. Trump has principles as well. the issue in 2016 is: who of the candidates now running can be elected, and has the principles and ability to get this nation off life support. Cruz can't do it, in my estimation. Only Trump can complete the task of getting the nation out of the "triage" that both the Democrats and the Republicans have put it in.

it would be grand if the broad consensus of opinion in in the electorate matched that of Cruz - but, a solidly right of center nation would never have stumbled into the Clinton years or the fiasco of Obama. this nation is not right of center, its probably dead-on in the center with tendencies to swing a bit left and then a bit right. Trump understands that in order to put together a winning coalition which can defeat not only the leftist Democrats and their servants in the mass media, but also defeat the status quo RINO Republican establishment he must reach out to independents and some Democrats who are repelled by right of center Bible thumpers like Cruz. he also knows that the issues which are driving this election is loss of jobs to China and Mexico, the illegal invasion of this country by the third world, and the clear and present danger that Islam presents to not only the US but also Western civilization.

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IMO, the issue in this political election year isn't whether candidate A has "principles" or candidate B doesn't. most people have "principles" or moral guidelines of some sort or the other. Cruz certainly has principles, he is not a sociopath like Bill Clinton. Trump has principles as well. the issue in 2016 is: who of the candidates now running can be elected, and has the principles and ability to get this nation off life support. Cruz can't do it, in my estimation. Only Trump can complete the task of getting the nation out of the "triage" that both the Democrats and the Republicans have put it in.

it would be grand if the broad consensus of opinion in in the electorate matched that of Cruz - but, a solidly right of center nation would never have stumbled into the Clinton years or the fiasco of Obama. this nation is not right of center, its probably dead-on in the center with tendencies to swing a bit left and then a bit right. Trump understands that in order to put together a winning coalition which can defeat not only the leftist Democrats and their servants in the mass media, but also defeat the status quo RINO Republican establishment he must reach out to independents and some Democrats who are repelled by right of center Bible thumpers like Cruz. he also knows that the issues which are driving this election is loss of jobs to China and Mexico, the illegal invasion of this country by the third world, and the clear and present danger that Islam presents to not only the US but also Western civilization.



then why doesn't he poll any higher than 30% or so? Why does every poll show him losing to Hillary? Where are all these people that are rushing to his side? he should be polling way higher if he is so able and loved?

The fact is that the Republicans have figured out that if Cruz gets in, they might lose some of their power...he might mess up the status quo. Of course you prefer to Trump, he's openly admitted that he doesnt' stand for anything at all. There is nothing in his rhetoric that you can pin down...he is the Right's Obama. Instead of "Hope and Change" we get "Believe Me! It'll happen!" just what that "It" is has never been defined.

he's open to negotiation...he stands for nothing but his own ego. If his behavior toward his opposition hasn't raised red flags there's not a lot anyone can do.

it hasn't escaped my notice, Bill, that the Republicans are openly saying they would prefer to lose than to elect either of the two front runners. Could your 'support' of Trump just be more diversion from the Republicans desire to maintain the current state of disfunction so they can continue to profit and maintain their little fiefdoms?
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2016, 06:26:14 am »

ps. the website YOU have consistently claimed as being very accurate: Real Clear Politics shows him even losing to SANDERS..and nowhere is he above 40%. so what's up there, Bill?

Cruz polls higher in spite of the fact the media is either ignoring him OR talking trash about him.

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